Re: Fedora Workstation visual identity [was Re: Default plymouth theme]

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> On Thu, Feb 01, 2018 at 01:31:46PM -0500, Bastien Nocera wrote:
> > Matthias, Rishi and myself are the only people who added any information to
> > the "Downstream Branding" page on the GNOME wiki, and nobody asked us to
> > add anything more.
> 
> I'm not a designer. But in any case, the obvious things that I've
> suggested — and that Endless has done — are already on the list. Again,
> if someone has something better, let's do that. But let's _start
> there_.

The list isn't a checklist of all the downstream branding we want to
implement, it's a list of what different OSes use.

> 
> > It's not. It just makes things worse. It's like we never had those
> > discussions in the past. Keep asking the same thing, and that one time
> > when we're not looking, you'll slip this change past us.
> 
> I haven't slipped any change past anyone. I don't want to. What I want
> is for the people working on this to do things to help Fedora succeed.
> I don't want to have to keep arguing that we're not Ralph Lauren or
> whatever fashion brand people are covering up on their coats.

Which is exactly why I don't think we want to implement poorly thought out
branding, or not look into the existing branding to see how well it integrates
in our goals of being recognisable as Fedora, with or without branding.

Then again, I think this is our goals, but they were never explicitly defined,
and we would gain a lot in this discussion by defining them before making
decisions to accomplish them.

> That's
> not useful. Fedora has a strong, positive brand, and we have a great
> logo and visual language strongly tied to our community identity. Let's
> take that and put it into action.
> 
> 
> > I'm pretty sure that the omni-presence of a logo isn't something that got
> > explicitly requested by designers at Endless. Or the Ubuntu designers
> > requesting the UI to be mostly orange.
> 
> Perhaps not. Yet, it's there. That's because this is important.

Important doesn't mean necessary, or thought out.
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