On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 20:00, Havoc Pennington wrote: > In the past, conflicts between defaults have just not been considered > bugs, and people have just said "configure your WM" - I find this > broken. And this is the kind of breakage metacity's relative > non-configurability is largely intended to try to address - the same > basic issue arises in the case of many other preferences, where users > are expected to work around various kinds of apps by toggling prefs. > When the problem to work around creates inconvenience rather than > totally disabling an app, often I won't add workaronds for it, in the > interests of promoting motion toward a single "just works" solution. I'm sorry - I may be misunderstanding you here - but are you saying "there's no standards, so my response is to hardwire it into my wm and thus *force* app developers to conform to my standard, regardless of what platforms they develop for?" Tell me I'm misunderstanding, please...you can't be serious! We don't *disable* $10000 apps. We use them. Window managers are window dressing - hopefully a method to manage windows effectively - to shuffle them around. One does one's work in the app(whether it's a shell or an animation package), a wm should be as inobstrusive as possible. You work *in the app*, you should only use the wm when you need to flip between apps. Again please tell me I didn't catch your drift - I can't believe it! Do you think developers writing for 5 platforms are going to say "ahh, the Linux port - we'll need to check to see what Havoc is using and change our interface..." J.C. -- John Coldrick www.axyzfx.com Axyz Animation Houdini/Renderman/Discreet 425 Adelaide St W 416-504-0425 Toronto, ON Canada jc@axyzfx.com M5V 1S4 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Men of lofty genius when they are doing the least work are most active. -- Leonardo da Vinci