On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 09:05, John Coldrick wrote: > On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 17:05, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > > It's nonsense to say the WM should not bind any keys by default (and > > also nonsense that users should have to change default keybindings to > > use an application). The only reasonable way out of the problem is to > > coordinate between the apps and the WM who will own which keys. > > Ummm, I would disagree here. You may disagree with his comment, but > it's certainly not nonsense. We work on a commercial animation package > called Houdini, which *requires* access to Alt-mouseclick key equivs. > Houdini runs on Irix, Linux, Solaris and Windows, and it's only Gnome > and KDE that requires the user to turn off features of the desktop IIRC, Every window manager I've ever used on Linux defaults to using ALT+MB1 to move windows. That includes AfterStep, FVWM 1 & 2, BlackBox, Enlightenment, Sawfish, Metacity, KWM, and Kwin. It's not "only Gnome and KDE"... Given that ALT+MB1 is a fairly standard key combo used by WM's and unavailable to applications; I'd agree that it's nonsense for applications to make that key combo central to any critical functionality. > Would you grab and use Ctl-v? Ctl-c? Of course not, because they're > typically used by apps. Exactly; Applications shouldn't use ALT+MB1 because they're typically used by WM's. It works both ways.
