On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 21:56, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 09:05, John Coldrick wrote: > > On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 17:05, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > > > > It's nonsense to say the WM should not bind any keys by default (and > > > also nonsense that users should have to change default keybindings to > > > use an application). The only reasonable way out of the problem is to > > > coordinate between the apps and the WM who will own which keys. > > > > Ummm, I would disagree here. You may disagree with his comment, but > > it's certainly not nonsense. We work on a commercial animation package > > called Houdini, which *requires* access to Alt-mouseclick key equivs. > > Houdini runs on Irix, Linux, Solaris and Windows, and it's only Gnome > > and KDE that requires the user to turn off features of the desktop > > IIRC, Every window manager I've ever used on Linux defaults to using > ALT+MB1 to move windows. That includes AfterStep, FVWM 1 & 2, BlackBox, > Enlightenment, Sawfish, Metacity, KWM, and Kwin. It's not "only Gnome > and KDE"... > > Given that ALT+MB1 is a fairly standard key combo used by WM's and > unavailable to applications; I'd agree that it's nonsense for > applications to make that key combo central to any critical > functionality. What you are saying makes sense only if you do now work with crossplatform applications. Maya for one runs on Irix, Windows, Linux and Mac. Do you propose that I learn an entirely different set of shortcuts for each platform? The program is complex as it is. Inconsistent shortcuts would make it a living hell to work with. And for what purpose? To be able to move a window with alt+mb1? Does anybody actually use that anyway. And why is it there. I can move and resize windows by using the borders of the windows. Just like every other os. > > > Would you grab and use Ctl-v? Ctl-c? Of course not, because they're > > typically used by apps. > > Exactly; Applications shouldn't use ALT+MB1 because they're typically > used by WM's. It works both ways. > Yes it works both ways. But I much prefer speed in an application over being able to use a shortcut that is only linux related to move windows. People working in complex apps know what I mean. I could give you a list of shortcuts that I use which involves the mouse, alt, ctrl and shift but it would be a looong list and it would only be for one program. If these things make linux an unworkable solution, I'll go back to windows or even try working on the mac (shudder). Alt-mb1 and several others are a legacy. I would be please if they were removed. It's just a thing from when linux desktops where used by programmers which do not use the mouse for anything else that moving windows. Stuff like this is making the "linux is for hackers" come true. (And doubly so, if you have to be a programmer to work around it) Best regards -Rene > > > > -- > Psyche-list mailing list > Psyche-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
