On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 17:50, Thomas Dodd wrote: > If your going to prot an app to an OS, you should at least look > into the default keybindings for the OS. Imagine porting an app > from X11 to windows. Please see posts by Rene Rask - he's right. These apps we're talking about aren't openoffice - they *need* these keyequivs and it's simply wrong to expect end users to change the way they work based on the platform. My point about Ctl-c and Ctl-v seems to have been ignored. You wouldn't use those - would you? Of course not. Alas, there is no standard for what should or shouldn't be touched - but I think our point is that Linux went *way* too far with it's wm's - desparately grabbing all sorts of keys just because they *could*. > I would guess you world didn't even have window managers then. > So when you switched to a new environment, you assumed it > was the same. There's no assuming to be done. I've been using wm's for a long time, on different platforms. I don't *assume* anything, it's just a fact that Linux requires a lot more turning off of "features" before it becomes usable. I think our argument is that is wrong, and a leaner feel should be used. > If I write a *nix app, it will use those. If I were to port it to > windows, I'd switch the bindings to match windows, since Ctl+A > is normaly "Select All" there. But I don't expect that in linux, or any > other unix. Use Houdini, or Maya. Believe me - it's simply not practical, and surely you must agree that it would be *nice* if there was a cross platform standard that said "these key-equivs should be offlimits *as defaults* to wms"? I have no trouble whatsoever if they give you the option to turn it on! J.C. -- John Coldrick www.axyzfx.com Axyz Animation Houdini/Renderman/Discreet 425 Adelaide St W 416-504-0425 Toronto, ON Canada jc@axyzfx.com M5V 1S4 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Men of lofty genius when they are doing the least work are most active. -- Leonardo da Vinci