At 3:01 PM +0100 11/28/07, Jochem Maas wrote:
tedd wrote:
> So, sniffing the browser to determine language isn't the same as browser
sniffing -- OK.
there is no sniffing of the browser - merely a case of parsing the contents of
the Accept-Language header if the browser sent it along with the
request regardless
of what browser is being used.
there is no reason to assume that anyone would want to spoof the
Accept-Language header
to contain something that doesn't correspond with what the user
wants ... why set japanese
as a preferred language if you don't speak it? and if they do do
that and end up getting a
site in japanese then really that is the users problem not the site
developers.
it not the same as ouput different content/layout/etc based on the
UserAgent string -
which is known to be spoofed in order to combat idiot developers
attempts to force
people to use certain browser (for whatever reason)
I mean, we don't assume that the requested URL is not what the user
really wanted?
e.g. user requests example.com/foo.php but we know that it's likely
to be spoofed so
we'll help out and server them example.com/bar.php ???
besides which I did state that using Accept-Language header to
determine a [probable]
suitable language should be done in addition to offering the user an
explicit language
selection mechanism.
lastly I think using GEO-IP services to determine location and
thereby an implied
language is worthless in general - I can be sitting anywhere on the
planet and still want
to view content in Dutch, not to mention things like global
corporate gateways, anonymous
proxies, etc, etc. The exception to this could be when the website
in question is specifically
offering localised data (e.g. find me a restaurant/garage/whatever
in Rotterdam)
Thanks for the explanation -- I didn't realize most of that.
> Sorry, my bad.
no need for the sarcasm Tedd, seems we have differing opinions on
this - although my gut
feeling is that your hung up on something that's not strictly
relevant in this situation.
:-)
Jochem:
This just hasn't been my week -- everyone (long story) thinks I'm
being sarcastic when I'm not.
The "Sorry, my bad" means "I apologize, my mistake." How can that be
taken as sarcasm?
As for being "hung-up" -- again, I'm clueless. I mistakenly thought
that anything obtained from the browser was subject to suspicion as
is any outside data. But apparently you can "trust" (I realize within
certain limits) some things provided by the browser -- that's news to
me.
Boy, I got to work on my communication skills because everyone can't
be wrong, right?
Again, thanks for your explanation -- and that's not being sarcastic.
I'm just trying to communicate without offending/annoying anyone.
Maybe I should end every line with a smiley? :-)
Cheers,
tedd
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