> On 7/31/07, Richard Lynch <ceo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Or, in my experience with pattern zealots, mis-recognize a problem as > a pattern it isn't, mis-apply the "solution" and then spend years > dealing with a square peg in a round hole... The funny thing about that is w/ OOP and design patterns you can fit square pegs in round holes! its called the Adapter pattern :-P Any way the problem youre trying to pin on Design Patterns is a more general problem that applies to practically every walk of life; once you learn something in theory you simply cant be good at it until you have done it. the same can be said for low level code and people just starting to program professionally. everyone makes mistakes, especially at first. if youre learning patterns well, you will almost certainly make mistakes when trying to implement them in reality. it takes courage to attempt to implement design patterns because its hard, and most people dont know what youre talking about, so you can barely communicate. design patterns actually started out in the world of architecture, building houses. see, building houses became building cities and people learned how to build cities the right way; they wrote it down. eventually it made its way into software. more to the point of code, i have seen some really bad code. ill tell you honestly most php devs ive met dont know much about oop let alone design patterns. they end up writing horrible spaghetti code that is difficult to decipher and even more difficult to maintain and extend. i feel sorry for Richard; if youd ever seen a successful implementation of design patterns in the wild well you would probly feel like i do... gotta have em :) -nathan On 7/31/07, Richard Lynch <ceo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Sun, July 29, 2007 12:45 pm, Nathan Nobbe wrote: > > one of the hardest parts about using design patterns in reality is you > > have > > to be able to recognize a certain > > problem and then you can begin to understand how to apply a particular > > pattern or set of patterns to your > > solution. > > Or, in my experience with pattern zealots, mis-recognize a problem as > a pattern it isn't, mis-apply the "solution" and then spend years > dealing with a square peg in a round hole... > > :-) :-) :-) > > If you're not experienced in the first place, design patterns are just > a big fat jumble of over-engineered toys that will make a pig's > breakfast of everything. > > YMMV > > -- > Some people have a "gift" link here. > Know what I want? > I want you to buy a CD from some indie artist. > http://cdbaby.com/browse/from/lynch > Yeah, I get a buck. So? > >
