All I'm saying is that here, plain speak and understated rhetoric are what I prefer to see. It's so easy to get righteous and overheated about stuff and I think it's best to avoid that whenever possible. Getting that way makes people pay less attention, no matter how "right" one thinks one is about the content. ____________________ E Berlin MEDIA Elliot Berlin Documentary Films & Media Production 6800 Fleetwood Rd., Suite 100 McLean, VA 22101 703.356.9315 office 703.283.5559 mobile www.eberlinmedia.com (site under construction) -----Original Message----- From: owner-photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-photoforum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Erik Lauritzen Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 2:17 PM To: List for Photo/Imaging Educators - Professionals - Students Subject: Re: Easy stealing during DIGITAL ERA When incorrect information (or uninformed opinion, which has occurred in one of the latest of email responses to "Easy stealing during the DIGITAL ERA" ) occurs, educating oneself about the legal ramifications of copyright is not an attempt to introduce "a court of law" nor "erect a jargon-based scaffolding around it" exclusively. Such responses are simply one aspect of this discussion and therefore have validity as such. The introduction of copyright infringement and its consequences cannot help but be part of such a forum whether the direction taken is legal or ethical. A forum titled as this is, does elicit concerns particularly about the HOTTEST topic of creative rights on the internet today: the copyright of intellectual property. So there must be some reference to the legalities of copyright infringement . If we do not know what is being talked about then this is akin to critiquing a book without reading it. Lets keep this forum open to all aspects of this very important contemporary issue that will most likely dictate copyright protocol for years to come. AND ALSO it is vital to continue the discussion aspects of the ethical and moral uses of other peoples work. This is a huge topic of discussion and there must be room for all points of view. Whoever began this forum with the title it has opened a can of worms. Criticism of others ideas about bringing attention to the expansion of Digital Image misuse is as important a concern to this topic as to not discuss these issues but remain within the confines of ethics only. It is too broad a topic to limit responses. On Jan 14, 2007, at 10:19 AM, E Berlin wrote: > True, and yet not so true. > > I can't count the number of times I've witnessed person B's attempt > to trump > the argument of person A by a purely sophistical attempt to claim > B's own > "expert" status. I often take that as a sign of a lack of > confidence in > one's own argument because it doesn't stand on its own without > erecting a > jargon-based scaffolding around it. > > Expert status in no way guarantees one's being correct in any > individual > instance or interpretation. Particularly when it isn't a forum > limited to a > conversation between experts it's probably more fruitful to accept > that the > conversation is to be guided by common sense and freely used > vernacular > speech. > > I'm not sure that here it matters so much where the dividing line > stands > between theft and infringement. Since this is not a court of law it's > probably more helpful to discuss it in moral terms rather than > veering off > into legalese. What you all are really talking about is what you > think is > right and wrong, and the references to the law are more used as > evidence > than ends in themselves. > Elliot Berlin > > > > > > > Alexander Georgiadis wrote: > >> Oh, and fuck the semantics. > > Words are the most important tool we have for communicating with other > people, so questions of what they mean are among the most crucial > questions. > -- > David Dyer-Bennet, dd-b@xxxxxxxx; http://dd-b.net/dd-b > Pics: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum, > http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery > Dragaera: http://dragaera.info > > > >
