On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Fernando Cassia <fcassia@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:03 AM, James Knott <james.knott@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Mark wrote: >>> >>> All flavors of Windows since 3.11 came with telnet pre-installed. My >>> Psion Series 5 (circa 1997) had telnet out of the box, and it >>> certainly doesn't have anything like the storage or any other >>> resources the ITs have. >>> >>> >> >> Are you sure it was in Windows 3.11? That was before MS embraced the >> internet, with W95. > > Windows 3.1 had no TCP/IP stack whatsoever. People used to install > "Trumpet Winsock" to get on-line. > > Back then the first x86 desktop OS to be released which included a > TCP/IP stack and web browser was IBM OS/2 Warp 3.0, released in 1994. > > FC Not quite right. I had "Windows for Workgroups", version 3.11 (as opposed to 3.1), which was obviously intended for network/Internet use and had additional components. I didn't have to install anything extra beyond the Workgroup extras. I do recall later having to do some troubleshooting that involved delving into Trumpet Winsock, but that was long after I was online. Windows 3.0 had no winsock out of the box, but it was available. For more info, including timeline data, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winsock Funny how "firsts" can be unclear. If you try to find out when the first computer "mouse" (and GUI) was invented, not only was it *long* before Apple, it was also long before SPARC. It's a lot safer to say something existed *by* a certain time than to say it never existed before that. The only reason your statement is correct is because it adds "and web browser" to the "TCP/IP stack". That was before IE existed (it was initially part of Plus! for Windows 95), and the Windows browser of choice at the time was NCSA Mosaic, on which Netscape Navigator was based, but no browser came with Windows 3.x. This is becoming a real nostalgia trip... Mark _______________________________________________ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@xxxxxxxxx https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
