Re: Postal address in Contacts?

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Kevin T. Neely wrote:
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 04:34:09PM -0600, Mark wrote:
  
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Kevin T. Neely
<ktneely@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
    
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 11:41:48AM -0600, Mark wrote:

To follow your logic,
      
No, you're most certainly *not* following my logic. My logic is that
physical addresses are something that needs to be looked up, whereas
    

I am.  Your logic was, "If the tablet does not do X, it does not need to store Y"  Well, following that, there is no need to store physical addresses because the tablet cannot send actual, physical mail.  It's a stupid permutation but it does follow the logic trail you laid in the earlier e-mail.  

  
You are so utterly wrong I don't know where to start. What I said was that there are better alternatives for storing and retrieving the pitiful bits of data that Contacts does store, but that the rather glaring omissions do *not* have any good alternatives. (I don't mean to imply that gpe or Pimlico are not good alternatives to Contact because they certainly are, I mean that a contact-type app is the best place to store street addresses.) If you do have a decent PIM, then yes, it makes sense to store every bit of contact data for that particular person in the same record. But that's the whole point anyway! There's no excuse for there not being a decent PIM out of the box.


  
...and neither can its owner if they can't find the address...
    

That's just circular, and you know it.  If we follow that, then the information it stored you thought was "useless" is not so.  A phone number cannot be dialled w/o the owner.  Nor an e-mail address.
  
You obviously don't know the meaning of circular reasoning. My point was that if you need someone's mailing address, and can't find it in your tablet because there's no provision for storing that information in it, then the tablet is not doing you any good. You have to know an address or be able to look it up in order to write it on an envelope. As I said before: phone numbers are in the phone, and email addresses are in your email client, so having a Contents app to store *only* those bits of information is redundant and pointless. The app only becomes useful when it does something that you can't get any other way.

The tablet is, to me, an electronic communications device.  Would I like for *all* my contact information to be in there?  Of course, but if we have to pick and choose, then it makes sense to have the information that is immediately useful, like phone numbers, e-mail addresses, and IM addresses (the latter two pretty much the same, heck, with VOIP, all three pretty much the same).
  
Here's the biggest flaw in your argument: if there's already a contacts app with even one field, it's utterly trivial to add more fields, and criminal not to do so. It's not an issue of "picking and choosing". The app exists, it's just deliberately crippled, just like all those crippled locked cell phones out there.

Why such resistance to something that is 1) Incredibly easy to solve if you're the original author of the app, and 2) would make the device significantly more attractive to consumers?

And here's another flaw in your argument: as a "communications device", one thing that will turn up sooner or later is that you'll need to send someone else's snail mail address to a third party. If that information is not available, then it's not doing its job of communicating very well, is it?


  
Let's see if I've got this straight: you're saying that it's somehow
easier to drag out the tablet, start up Contacts, look up the person,
make sure you're tethered to your phone with bluetooth, then use the
tablet to tell the phone to dial the number, than to simply open the
    


I think this has been addressed, but in short, tethering is simple and seamless in my usage.  And, besides, I was really referring to using wi-fi.  Not that that matters much.   The tablet is meant to be online.  The newest version is WIMAX-enabled, which should give a good idea of where Nokia is going with it.  A device of the future, always connected.

K
  
...and as I said before, all the VOIP, SIP and what have you clients also have other, better ways to store, add and find their respective contact info. You may be able to send the VOIP client that information from Contacts, but there's no reason to, and once again Contacts is redundant and pointless.

Mark
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