Glen,
Your point is perfectly clear. It is simply rooted in a lack of human
understanding, and apparently the various ways the brain works...let alone
the point of this thread in the first place, finding paths to places where
captchas present barriers.
There was never a moment in this thread where the ability to solve a math
problem defines limited ability save in your own head.
Kare
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021, Glenn K0LNY wrote:
Using the Internet requires the ability to understand web content.
Anybody who cannot solve five plus seven, or use a calculator, or access
something like Alexa for solving such things, cannot make use of web pages
independently. Therefore must otherwise have the assistance at hand to help
understand web content in general, and likewise, get through the math
captcha with the assistance already at hand.
I'm sorry if some can't understand my point.
That is all I will contribute to this messed up discussion.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jookia" <contact@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Glenn K0LNY" <GlennErvin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxxxxxx>; "Karen Lewellen"
<klewellen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: hcaptcha, is A curiosity about multi-user systems?
Any kind of CAPTCHA acts as a filter that turns people away.
It defeats the point of having a medium accessible to all.
On Wed, Mar 03, 2021 at 09:55:32AM -0600, Glenn K0LNY wrote:
Well then they can use a calculator, or ask Alexa to solve the problem, we
can't do that for the visual and audio disabilities.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Glenn K0LNY" <glennervin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Speakup is a screen
review
system for Linux." <speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: hcaptcha, is A curiosity about multi-user systems?
Glenn:
It's called dyscalculia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyscalculia
As the above page asserts, dyscalculia doesn't mean you're not a genius
in other types of human knowledge.
So, can we please have just a touch of humility here? We want
accomodation from our society for our inability to function from visual
sensory data. Let's be ready to give like we want to get, please.
Best,
Janina
Glenn K0LNY writes:
Come on Karen, you know that's not the same.
If someone cannot add five plus seven, then they probably need someone
to
help them understand the pages in the first place.
Don't play that game with me.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Glenn K0LNY" <glennervin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
<speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2021 10:07 PM
Subject: Re: hcaptcha, is A curiosity about multi-user systems?
Interesting perspective about other members of the human family.
how does your stance differ from those who believe that if one cannot
see
the screen they are not going to get much out of the Internet, or films,
or television?
On Tue, 2 Mar 2021, Glenn K0LNY wrote:
I'm sure they do, but I'm willing to bet that if they can't do five
plus
twelve, then they aren't getting much out of the Internet anyway.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Glenn K0LNY" <glennervin@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2021 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: hcaptcha, is A curiosity about multi-user systems?
Glen,
Math problems are some of the most inclusive efforts at captchas.
Largely
supported by w3c standards. Individuals with cognitive challenges
have
issues with visual captchas as well.
On Tue, 2 Mar 2021, Glenn K0LNY wrote:
I don't even know why they offer visual and audio captchas, when I
have
come
across sites that just ask a basic question like:
what is five plus seven?
Apparently this keeps out computer hacks too.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Jookia" <contact@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2021 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: hcaptcha, is A curiosity about multi-user systems?
Granted the issues captchas pose are extensive for several
populations.
still, your idea of changing the user agent, no matter how
reasonable,
seems to sort of make you a hacker. All the while this service
continues
to misrepresent what access means, and if their twitter conversations
on
the topic are any indication, limit access to a very small box.
there must be a more direct solution to this situation?
Kare
On Mon, 1 Mar 2021, Jookia wrote:
When hCaptcha first came out I went on CloudFlare's site and ranted
about how bad the accessibility was for screen readers. They seemed
to
have fixed it a bit since then, but I don't think they really test
or
put much effort in to it.
Ultimately CAPTCHAs exclude anyone that is worse off than an AI. I
hate
it.
You could try setting your browser agent to some Windows thing, that
might help.
Jookia.
--
Janina Sajka
https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka
Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
