Any kind of CAPTCHA acts as a filter that turns people away. It defeats the point of having a medium accessible to all. On Wed, Mar 03, 2021 at 09:55:32AM -0600, Glenn K0LNY wrote: > Well then they can use a calculator, or ask Alexa to solve the problem, we > can't do that for the visual and audio disabilities. > Glenn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Glenn K0LNY" <glennervin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Speakup is a screen review > system for Linux." <speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 1:28 AM > Subject: Re: hcaptcha, is A curiosity about multi-user systems? > > > Glenn: > > It's called dyscalculia. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyscalculia > > As the above page asserts, dyscalculia doesn't mean you're not a genius > in other types of human knowledge. > > So, can we please have just a touch of humility here? We want > accomodation from our society for our inability to function from visual > sensory data. Let's be ready to give like we want to get, please. > > Best, > > Janina > > Glenn K0LNY writes: > > Come on Karen, you know that's not the same. > > If someone cannot add five plus seven, then they probably need someone to > > help them understand the pages in the first place. > > Don't play that game with me. > > Glenn > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: "Glenn K0LNY" <glennervin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Cc: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > > <speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2021 10:07 PM > > Subject: Re: hcaptcha, is A curiosity about multi-user systems? > > > > > > Interesting perspective about other members of the human family. > > how does your stance differ from those who believe that if one cannot see > > the screen they are not going to get much out of the Internet, or films, > > or television? > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Mar 2021, Glenn K0LNY wrote: > > > > > I'm sure they do, but I'm willing to bet that if they can't do five plus > > > twelve, then they aren't getting much out of the Internet anyway. > > > Glenn > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > To: "Glenn K0LNY" <glennervin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2021 9:32 PM > > > Subject: Re: hcaptcha, is A curiosity about multi-user systems? > > > > > > > > > Glen, > > > Math problems are some of the most inclusive efforts at captchas. > > > Largely > > > supported by w3c standards. Individuals with cognitive challenges have > > > issues with visual captchas as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Mar 2021, Glenn K0LNY wrote: > > > > > >> I don't even know why they offer visual and audio captchas, when I have > > >> come > > >> across sites that just ask a basic question like: > > >> what is five plus seven? > > >> Apparently this keeps out computer hacks too. > > >> Glenn > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> To: "Jookia" <contact@xxxxxxxxxx> > > >> Cc: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2021 8:04 PM > > >> Subject: Re: hcaptcha, is A curiosity about multi-user systems? > > >> > > >> > > >> Granted the issues captchas pose are extensive for several populations. > > >> still, your idea of changing the user agent, no matter how reasonable, > > >> seems to sort of make you a hacker. All the while this service > > >> continues > > >> to misrepresent what access means, and if their twitter conversations > > >> on > > >> the topic are any indication, limit access to a very small box. > > >> there must be a more direct solution to this situation? > > >> Kare > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Mon, 1 Mar 2021, Jookia wrote: > > >> > > >>> When hCaptcha first came out I went on CloudFlare's site and ranted > > >>> about how bad the accessibility was for screen readers. They seemed to > > >>> have fixed it a bit since then, but I don't think they really test or > > >>> put much effort in to it. > > >>> > > >>> Ultimately CAPTCHAs exclude anyone that is worse off than an AI. I > > >>> hate > > >>> it. > > >>> > > >>> You could try setting your browser agent to some Windows thing, that > > >>> might help. > > >>> > > >>> Jookia. > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka > https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka > > Linux Foundation Fellow > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa > >
