I understand your point, I hope you understand mine. On Wed, Mar 03, 2021 at 10:15:40AM -0600, Glenn K0LNY wrote: > Using the Internet requires the ability to understand web content. > Anybody who cannot solve five plus seven, or use a calculator, or access > something like Alexa for solving such things, cannot make use of web pages > independently. Therefore must otherwise have the assistance at hand to help > understand web content in general, and likewise, get through the math > captcha with the assistance already at hand. > I'm sorry if some can't understand my point. > That is all I will contribute to this messed up discussion. > > Glenn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jookia" <contact@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Glenn K0LNY" <GlennErvin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxxxxxx>; "Karen Lewellen" > <klewellen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > <speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 10:06 AM > Subject: Re: hcaptcha, is A curiosity about multi-user systems? > > > Any kind of CAPTCHA acts as a filter that turns people away. > It defeats the point of having a medium accessible to all. > > On Wed, Mar 03, 2021 at 09:55:32AM -0600, Glenn K0LNY wrote: > > Well then they can use a calculator, or ask Alexa to solve the problem, we > > can't do that for the visual and audio disabilities. > > Glenn > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: "Glenn K0LNY" <glennervin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Cc: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Speakup is a screen > > review > > system for Linux." <speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2021 1:28 AM > > Subject: Re: hcaptcha, is A curiosity about multi-user systems? > > > > > > Glenn: > > > > It's called dyscalculia. > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyscalculia > > > > As the above page asserts, dyscalculia doesn't mean you're not a genius > > in other types of human knowledge. > > > > So, can we please have just a touch of humility here? We want > > accomodation from our society for our inability to function from visual > > sensory data. Let's be ready to give like we want to get, please. > > > > Best, > > > > Janina > > > > Glenn K0LNY writes: > > > Come on Karen, you know that's not the same. > > > If someone cannot add five plus seven, then they probably need someone > > > to > > > help them understand the pages in the first place. > > > Don't play that game with me. > > > Glenn > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > To: "Glenn K0LNY" <glennervin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Cc: "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." > > > <speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2021 10:07 PM > > > Subject: Re: hcaptcha, is A curiosity about multi-user systems? > > > > > > > > > Interesting perspective about other members of the human family. > > > how does your stance differ from those who believe that if one cannot > > > see > > > the screen they are not going to get much out of the Internet, or films, > > > or television? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Mar 2021, Glenn K0LNY wrote: > > > > > > > I'm sure they do, but I'm willing to bet that if they can't do five > > > > plus > > > > twelve, then they aren't getting much out of the Internet anyway. > > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > To: "Glenn K0LNY" <glennervin@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2021 9:32 PM > > > > Subject: Re: hcaptcha, is A curiosity about multi-user systems? > > > > > > > > > > > > Glen, > > > > Math problems are some of the most inclusive efforts at captchas. > > > > Largely > > > > supported by w3c standards. Individuals with cognitive challenges > > > > have > > > > issues with visual captchas as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Mar 2021, Glenn K0LNY wrote: > > > > > > > >> I don't even know why they offer visual and audio captchas, when I > > > >> have > > > >> come > > > >> across sites that just ask a basic question like: > > > >> what is five plus seven? > > > >> Apparently this keeps out computer hacks too. > > > >> Glenn > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > >> To: "Jookia" <contact@xxxxxxxxxx> > > > >> Cc: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2021 8:04 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: hcaptcha, is A curiosity about multi-user systems? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Granted the issues captchas pose are extensive for several > > > >> populations. > > > >> still, your idea of changing the user agent, no matter how > > > >> reasonable, > > > >> seems to sort of make you a hacker. All the while this service > > > >> continues > > > >> to misrepresent what access means, and if their twitter conversations > > > >> on > > > >> the topic are any indication, limit access to a very small box. > > > >> there must be a more direct solution to this situation? > > > >> Kare > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Mon, 1 Mar 2021, Jookia wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> When hCaptcha first came out I went on CloudFlare's site and ranted > > > >>> about how bad the accessibility was for screen readers. They seemed > > > >>> to > > > >>> have fixed it a bit since then, but I don't think they really test > > > >>> or > > > >>> put much effort in to it. > > > >>> > > > >>> Ultimately CAPTCHAs exclude anyone that is worse off than an AI. I > > > >>> hate > > > >>> it. > > > >>> > > > >>> You could try setting your browser agent to some Windows thing, that > > > >>> might help. > > > >>> > > > >>> Jookia. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka > > https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka > > > > Linux Foundation Fellow > > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org > > > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > > Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa > > > > >
