On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 06:45:07PM -0500, Mary B wrote:
> The idea of paid staff is a terrible place to go IMHO.
I don't think anyone here is promoting paid staff. we're only talking
about additional funding/spnsoring options for ADs while maintaining the
same oversight. ADs report to their conscience and the community for
their AD job, nobody else.
> The organizations with paid staff have memberships - pay to play...
I thought IETF as paid staff already, and effectively, if you want to move
things in the IETF you must go to the meetings (few exceptions proving the
rule), so i wouldn't take these factors as binary wisdoms.
Cheers
Toerless
>
> Regards,
> Mary.
>
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 4:48 PM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > And this begs an interesting (to me :-) question.
> >
> > When someone says she works at being AD 37.6% of her time, does she mean
> > "37.6% of her paid time" or "37.6% of the time that is available to work on
> > anything"?
> >
> > That would seem to cut into the "volunteer ethos" a lot.
> >
> > So, clearly, someone who puts in 45 hours a week as AD is a hero when they
> > are paid for those hours, but when 39 of those hours are voluntary, unpaid
> > time, then they are a super-hero.
> >
> > And it is important for ADs reporting how much time the role takes up to
> > report the total hours spent (modesty should not come into it!).
> >
> > Adrian
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ietf [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stephen Farrell
> > > Sent: 30 July 2018 20:21
> > > To: Warren Kumari
> > > Cc: IETF Discuss
> > > Subject: Re: AD Time
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 30/07/18 18:15, Warren Kumari wrote:
> > > > I suspect I'm not really articulating this very well...
> > >
> > > FWIW, Warren I think I got exactly what you mean and if so,
> > > I fully agree with you.
> > >
> > > Another way to try say it might be: If you muck with the
> > > volunteer ethos too much, as is being suggested by a few
> > > people on this thread, you are very very likely to destroy
> > > that volunteer ethos entirely.
> > >
> > > The half-baked ideas I've seen throw out in this thread seem
> > > to be exemplars in mucking about carelessly, or would be if
> > > taken seriously. (And in case someone wonders, I don't see
> > > any value in this thread as a thought-experiment either.)
> > >
> > > S.
> >
> >
> >
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