Christian:
Adding useful data into the discussion always raises a contribution
above the crowd, so no worries ;-)
Any idea if there is a save minimum you can publish. Aka: the
small resolution of your face, reuse a picture everywhere, linkedin,
ietf,...
Was already worried today looking at the fact that datatracker does
publish pretty large resolution versions of the pictures. But
no idea if/whether larger resolutions are a similar problem as more
varied pictures.
Cheers
Toerless
On Mon, Mar 05, 2018 at 12:14:34PM -0800, Christian Huitema wrote:
> On 3/5/2018 8:18 AM, Tim Chown wrote:
>
> >> There is no such conflict. The IETF does not use individual or small group photos to establish the identities of IETF participants. If it did, I could google, e.g., "David Black IETF" and see a picture of David, whose face I can picture in my mind, and happen to know is associated with that name. But I don't get a picture of him. David is a pretty important IETF participant (in my mind at least). I don't know that he has a particular allergy to having his photo taken. If the IETF were actually using peoples' pictures in the way that you are claiming here, I would have found his photo with a Google search.
> > Or maybe if Google worked better - there's a lot of "leadership" photos at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/photos/, including David's, presumably without alt or meta tags. (Although actually I get two photos of David from Googling 'IETF David Black', and one of Gorry, and none from Binging 'IETF David Black'.)
>
> I know I shouldn't add one more message to this thread, but the mention
> of pictures and search engines triggers a "privacy reflex". Several
> companies appear to be in the business of collecting pictures of faces.
> When the picture can be attributed to a specific person, it becomes
> training material for their face recognition algorithms. Get enough
> pictures, and the algorithms can then recognize you in various other
> environments, such as feeds of surveillance cameras.
>
> I don't know whether this particular privacy battle is "already lost",
> as many seem to believe. I think it is not. Our faces are constantly
> changing as we age, not to mention changing hairstyle, growing or
> shaving beards, let alone adding jewelry or tattoos. The face
> recognition data bases need to be updated with these continuous changes,
> or they loose precision. Fewer pictures of your face on the Internet
> means fewer data for these surveillance businesses.
>
> My personal attitude is thus to avoid publishing photographs of faces,
> so as to not feed the beast.
>
> -- Christian Huitema
