When the behavior goes from photography to harrassment, it should be
dealt with in terms of the harrassment. Yes, I looked at the article.
I don't think this policy is an effective or appropriate way to deal
with harrassment. Rather, we should all be doing everything we can to
stop harassing behavior of any kind.
I do understand that there are some folks who don't want to be
photographed. Even politely, from a suitable distance, etc. I do think
we should respect tha.
As written, the policy seems to place obligations strangely and not clearly.
I would note that for transparency, when our leadership is performing
their roles as leaders, they ahve to expect to be photographed. That
includes at least the IAB, the IESG, and our WG Chairs.
I also think that photographing presenters is something we should allow
as expected behavior (without harassing the presenter or disrupting the
presentation.)
I would want to be clear that as far as official actions, while we will
endevour to respect preferences, mistakes will sometimes be made. And
they may not be detectable afterwards (if the picture does not include
the badge.) We should be careful not to create an expectation that we
will do the impossible.
Yours,
Joel
On 3/2/18 1:46 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
On 3/2/18 12:16 PM, Joe Hildebrand wrote:
Those people don't feel empowered to speak up because they fear this
EXACT conversation. They expect that they will be told that they
should toughen up, that things have always been this way, that they
shouldn't feel the way they feel. They feel like their business
opportunities will dry up if they talk about how scared they are.
They are unwilling to participate more at the IETF because of these
concerns.
Along these same lines, I'd like to highlight one of the links that EKR
posted earlier:
https://adainitiative.org/2013/07/04/another-way-to-attract-women-to-conferences-photography-policies/
While some of the content here might not be 100% applicable to the IETF,
the article does give a good feel for the kinds of issues that males are
likely to overlook when considering the impact of photography policies
on gender diversity in their organizations. And while I haven't looked
at the gender stats of registered IETF participants, I think we can
agree that a casual glance around an IETF meeting room shows that we're
not really doing well in this regard.
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