On 17/03/2015 10:57, Dave Crocker wrote: ... > Public vs. private is entirely orthogonal to 'formally powerful' vs. > 'has leverage but no formal authority'. > > By way of example: > > A document writer has made statements to a participant that violate > the boundaries acceptable to the Ombud team. The statements were made > in private, but have been sufficiently verified. The Ombud feels that > the document writer needs to be removed from any position of leverage in > the IETF, other than "regular participant". > > Currently, it's the Chair(s) who have the authority to remove that > person, not the Ombud. But confidentiality constrains the Ombud > possibly from making the request and certainly from explaining why. Right. And the only solution that I can see is what would happen inside a company in such a situation: extend the envelope of the confidential discussion to include the person(s) with that authority. Brian > d/ > > ps. Extra credit: Note that the confidentiality thing prevents any > sort of persistent application of a decision. There's no way to bar > someone from being a document writer going forward, even if we figure > out how to handle the immediate situation.