On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 02:27:29PM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote: > On 3/16/2015 1:46 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > > Someone who has no formal authority but is influential has two ways to > > make that influence effective: > > > Sorry for my confusion, but I thought the issue concerned the powers of > an Ombud to remove someone. Yes, and I'm suggesting that there are two possibilities. One is that the ombuds needs to investigate the case fully, and in the event that the appointed officially-powerful person is not exercising that duty correctly then the ombuds is in a position to remove that person anyway. The other is that there is no confidentiality problem because things are happening in the open (in such cases, there may still be scope for the ombuds to act, but there is no particular problem arising from confidentiality provisions). > For those /not/ directly under Ombud authority, the question is how an > Ombud can effect the desired change without violating confidentiality > strictures. See above. There is, of course, a third case, which is where nobody has raised any issue with the relevant WG chairs or AD. I rather hope we are not suggesting that the ombuds system becomes a replacement for the usual escalation. That's anyway not how I read the document. Best regards, A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx