On 10/17/13 3:49 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > It's been suggested to me off list that this message came across as > sarcastic. That was absolutely not my intention. I though Peter's list > was thoughtful and I think that only drastic changes of how we work > can seriously tackle the problem. Brian, I didn't take your comments that way, but as an illustration of the signficant cultural and personal changes required here. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/