On 10/17/13 12:58 PM, Dave Crocker wrote: > On 10/18/2013 7:47 AM, John C Klensin wrote: >> But, again, the Nomcom can't fix this, at least for this year's >> selections. And one thing that has prevented the job from >> being trimmed back is resistance from sitting ADs (sometimes >> public and vigorous and sometimes passive refusal to consider >> procedural changes or discuss them with the community, but >> nonetheless blocking resistance). I would support advising the >> Nomcom that no one should be placed on, or returned to, the IESG >> unless the Nomcom members were convinced that the candidates >> considered reducing the size of the role both appropriate and a >> high priority. > > > The IESG defines the job and the IESG 'operates' the model. So yes, > formally the IESG controls this issue. > > However... > > Nomcom can apply pretty much whatever criteria it wants to the selection > process and Nomcom has been know to have some private negotiations with > the IESG. Nothing as profound as the change we are suggesting, but > still... > > So yes, an example of how Nomcom might independently deal with the > current crisis is to announce a policy of looking for ADs who are > willing to work no more than X% and then making a point of selecting > such folk. > > (Note that I'm saying something different from John. He's caling for > new folk who would "support" a change; I'm calling for new folk who are > firm that they won't do more than X%.) > > It would be better for the IESG to take the initiative here and formally > and publicly re-define the job, but it has so far ignored such requests. > > So Nomcom could start things towards that change on its own. I agree that the job needs to change. It might be helpful to talk about what could change, such as: 1. Less/no time on document reviews. 2. Less time managing working groups. 3. Fewer working groups to manage. 4. Fewer "extra" tasks (e.g., interfacing with other SDOs). 5. Less/no involvement with BoFs and other early-stage efforts. 6. Less/no involvement with creating the schedule. Perhaps some time and motion studies are in order to figure out how ADs spend their time. In my experience, document reviews required a major time commitment. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/