It's really annoying when a thread drifts to a wildly different topic without somebody thinking to change the Subject header. My comments on nominees would be much less frank if I knew they would be published. In fact, I doubt if I would make any at all. Here's a comment I sent in a number of years ago. "Arrogant, sometimes rude, not interested in listening to other people. I think <pronoun> would be an abysmal AD." In public? I don't think so. The whole idea of honest feedback only works when kept confidential. As for voting, I understand Mary's frustration at the lack of participation, but this really must not become a popularity contest and certainly not be put at risk of capture by companies or countries that send a lot of people to meetings. After all, this thread started out about how to *not* need to go to meetings. Regards Brian On 2011-10-27 16:00, Ross Callon wrote: > Mary; > > Would you want the comments that are currently sent in privately to nomcom to become public, or do you want the voters to make their choices without hearing these comments? > > Ross > > From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mary Barnes > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 4:52 PM > To: Peter Saint-Andre > Cc: John C Klensin; ietf@xxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Requirement to go to meetings > > On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:stpeter@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: > On 10/26/11 1:47 PM, Fred Baker wrote: >> On Oct 26, 2011, at 8:38 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> >>> (e.g., the NomCom >>> schedule is defined in terms of three meetings a year). >> no problem. We stop having the nomcom. > Sure, we just set up a (two-tier?) membership structure and have all the > members vote. Easy. > > [MB] You don't need a membership structure to have voting - you just allow anyone that has attended the requisite number of meetings per the Nomcom process to vote - i.e., if you are qualified to be a voting member of the Nomcom, you can vote. I personally believe that voting would be better than the current model. As it is, a very small percentage of the participants actually contribute to the process in the form of nominating or providing feedback: > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-barnes-nomcom-report-2009-00 (section 6.2) > > So, making it easier to provide input in the form of a vote might actually get more folks caring about who the leaders are. It would also save a tremendous amount of work on the part of the folks that serve on the Nomcom. [/MB] > > [Also, ducking] > > Mary. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx<mailto:Ietf@xxxxxxxx> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Ietf mailing list > Ietf@xxxxxxxx > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf