On 08/25/2011 02:36, Glen Zorn wrote: > On 8/25/2011 3:52 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > >> Including only the hotel costs may (I haven't crunched the numbers) be >> providing a very distorted view of the situation. In order to get the >> whole picture you have to include the meeting fees and air fare, at >> minimum. > > As I believe has been mentioned, hotel costs and meeting fees are > intimately related. Right, that was sort of my point. :) > Air fares, of course, vary with locations Also true, however if we're going to use "charts and graphs" to provide a metric of the effectiveness of the IAOC in this area it's important to take the whole picture into account. And while the regional rotation does spread the pain in a general way, there is a discussion point in regards to "boutique" venues vs. more pedestrian ones, and air fare is relevant to this issue as well. Note, I left out "cost of food" from my minimal data set since there are 2 independent variables inherent in that which (I believe probably) cancel this factor out over a reasonably long survey period. Individual taste (which can vary pretty widely) and the fact that local costs really are going to average out over time. But if someone wanted to make an argument that this should be included with the other 3 factors I would be quite easily persuaded. Meanwhile, count me in the "more or less willing to believe that the IAOC is making the best of a difficult task + glad it's not me" category. I've both been responsible for and assisted with conference planning and execution for groups both larger and smaller than the IETF, and it's an unbelievably difficult job. And to top it off, like so many other things in both life and business the better job you do this time the higher the expectations are next time. hth, Doug -- Nothin' ever doesn't change, but nothin' changes much. -- OK Go Breadth of IT experience, and depth of knowledge in the DNS. Yours for the right price. :) http://SupersetSolutions.com/ _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf