Re: Stupid NAT tricks and how to stop them.

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Scott Leibrand writes:

> They could do so (when they implement IPv6) by running dual-stack routers.

Ah, so they aren't doing it _now_.  They'll probably be doing it Real
Soon Now.

> My ISP doesn't yet provide IPv6 support.  But at some point they (or
> another ISP) will.

I guess that's when you'll find out how much extra they'll charge.

> I don't think you understand exponential math as it applies to IPv6.

Yes, I do, but most engineers don't, which is why they are repeating
the same mistakes they made with IPv4 in their implementations of
IPv6.

> IPv6 was specifically designed to make this possible.  With /48
> assignments and an HD ratio of .94, projections indicate a ~500 year
> lifetime to exhaust the IPv6 address space.

Wait and see.

> Yep.  And since there are about 18,446,744,073,709,600,000 /64's, such
> wastage is not a problem.  IPv6 was *designed* to make sure that address
> space conservation is *not* required.

There isn't any way to do that with any address space of any size as
long as people refuse to understand the difference between exponential
and linear changes.

> If you consider hundreds of years "soon", then sure.

It's going to be far less than hundreds of years.

> They don't need to be.  For the life of any existing applications, IPv4
> connectivity will still be available in some fashion.

Things that have to be aware of the Internet can hardly ignore a
change in something as fundamental as the size of an IP address.

> No, usually it's a lot less than 50%.  More typical is like $5/mo extra
> for additional IP(s).

How much do the additional IPs cost the ISP?



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