Re: [Tools-discuss] messaging formatting follies, was The IETF's email

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This is always on and in my experience any email that becomes ineligible because of that is not worth my attention.

On 8/21/23 19:05, John R Levine wrote:
> While I greatly admire your ASCII art in principle, I regret to report that on my Android phone and iPad it's completely illegible.
> 
> Much though some of us might wish otherwise, it's not 1990 any more, and fixed pitch ASCII text isn't what most mail programs expect or display.
> 
> (On the other hand, if you'd sent HTML mail and wrapped it in <pre> or used <tt> it'd have looked fine.
> 
> R's,
> John
> 
> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote:
> 
>> On 8/21/23 15:44, Christian Huitema wrote:
>> What about    | Simple proposal: we should move our culture to top-posting. No tool
>> side-posting? | needed. Don't worry too much bout text/plain versus text/html.
>> It's fun.     |
>>> I think that this    | Or middle posting, where | thread clearly exposed the problem. Many IETF
>>> participants follow  | I inject my text right   | the a long established practice of commenting on
>>> email by editing the | in the middle of the     | message and inserting their comments inline wit> the text. That       | message.                  | practice does not align with the fraction of the
>>> participants who prefer  | I d v | top posting. It also does not align with
>>> existing MUA that follow |   o e | a variety of conventions for inserting
>>> comments inline comments | c   r | in response, to the point that after a few
>>> replies it becomes very  | a t t | hard to understand who exactly made what
>>> argument.                | n h i |
>>>                          |   a c |
>>> As I mentioned in a      | a t a | previous mail, the IETF could in theory enforce
>>> that mail would be sent  | l   l | in text/plain, but this is not realistic, as
>>> many participants either | s   l | are accustomed to always use HTML or do not
>>> have a choice. Besides,  | o   y | even a return to plain text would not solve
>>> the confusion between    |     . | inline commenting and top posting, or the
>>> formatting mess caused by different inline conventions of different
>>> MUA.
>>>
>>> Moving to top-posting only would solve these issues. It will be a bit
>>> less easy for some commenters, who would have to explicitly copy and
>>> paste the fragments of message to which they reply, but it would
>>> definitely solve the top-posting vs. inline comment issue. It would
>>> also solve the issue with formatting of inline comments, because each
>>> "top" message would stand on its own, and presumably be presented
>>> exactly as its sender intended.
>>>
>>> If participants chooses to write in text/plain, their messages would
>>> be presented accordingly, and if other participants chose text/html,
>>> this would mostly work too. The only ambiguity would be multipart
>>> messages with different content in text/plain and text/html -- but
>>> here too, the solution is probably in the culture.
>>>
>>> -- Christian Huitema

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