I can well believe that there are waays to improve things. It seemed to
me that the proposed mechanisms would be counter-productive. ANyone
willing to pour through that much email already has ways. And anyone
not willing to pour through the emails won't get much from the proposed
ways.
I expect that a well-expressed proposal for additional "following"
mechanisms in the data tracker would be given fair consideration by
those who know what it would take to implement.
Yours,
Joel
On 7/18/2023 4:38 PM, Christian Huitema wrote:
On 7/18/2023 8:36 AM, Bob Hinden wrote:
On Jul 18, 2023, at 7:12 AM, Joel Halpern<jmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I am having trouble getting my head around these two proposals.
P1 is to have a cross-WG list for all WG adoption calls. That would
probably be the only announce list that I would choose not to
monitor. If I care that much about the work progress in a WG, I
should be monitoring the email lsit of that WG. If I care that much
about early stage drafts which may well be concerning, I should be
monitoring all I-D announcements (which I do) so I have an idea of
where concern is. And if something is sufficiently concerning, I
can start monitoring the relevant WG email list.
P2 is to have a cross-WG list for all WG last calls. There are two
problems with that. First, that seems to assume that IETF last call
doesn't work. If we have that problem, we should be addressing it,
not trying to work around it. Second, technically and as a
distinctly less matter, WGs are not required to have WG last calls,
although I personally consider it a very good idea.
I agree. I too am not a fan of these proposals.
For IETF work I am interested in, I subscribe to the w.g. mailing
list. There I see the discussion, adoption calls, and w.g. last
calls. I see little value in getting w.g. announcements for
everything else because I am not following the discussions.
The IETF last call is the place where we get IETF wide review.
I think this works well in theory, and it also works well in practice
for old timers like you, Bob and Joel. Or for me. But it requires
subscribing to high volume mailing lists, and then reading these
lists. There is some evidence that many folks don't like to do that.
We should be able to engineer something more focused, maybe combining
the data tracker with some kind of subscription mechanism in which
participants express their more or less narrow interests.
-- Christian Huitema
