In my experience, criticism of others for "not thinking/acting outside of the box" is often shorthand for "thinking/acting that doesn’t agree with mine" rather than any indicator of a systemic problem. I think it fairer to assume that others have done just as much thinking as me, but come to a different conclusion. Jay > On 14/10/2021, at 4:49 AM, Toerless Eckert <tte@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Thanks, Stephen. I guess i was referring to > "act outside the box" and not only "think outside the box". > And i do think it may be easier to do that when you actually > do come from outside the box. > > Cheers > Toerless > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 04:27:59PM +0100, Stephen Farrell wrote: >> >> On 13/10/2021 15:54, Toerless Eckert wrote: >>> manycouches had many couch potatoes arguing for many many years to >>> have at least one virtual-only IETF per year, even if just as an >>> experiment. I do not remember a single AD thinking outside of a box >>> to push for such an experiment. >> >> I don't think that's accurate. It's fair to say that >> we didn't make real progress on attempting to only >> meet twice in any year before covid, but there were >> a bunch of ADs among those considering the issues, >> (incl. me back then.) Just because the IESG doesn't >> manage to succeed in figuring stuff out does not mean >> that the IESG didn't try so I'd cut the current leadership >> some slack before accusing them of being unable to >> think outside whatever boxes are perceived to exist. >> >> S. > -- Jay Daley IETF Executive Director exec-director@xxxxxxxx
