Thanks, Stephen. I guess i was referring to "act outside the box" and not only "think outside the box". And i do think it may be easier to do that when you actually do come from outside the box. Cheers Toerless On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 04:27:59PM +0100, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > On 13/10/2021 15:54, Toerless Eckert wrote: > > manycouches had many couch potatoes arguing for many many years to > > have at least one virtual-only IETF per year, even if just as an > > experiment. I do not remember a single AD thinking outside of a box > > to push for such an experiment. > > I don't think that's accurate. It's fair to say that > we didn't make real progress on attempting to only > meet twice in any year before covid, but there were > a bunch of ADs among those considering the issues, > (incl. me back then.) Just because the IESG doesn't > manage to succeed in figuring stuff out does not mean > that the IESG didn't try so I'd cut the current leadership > some slack before accusing them of being unable to > think outside whatever boxes are perceived to exist. > > S.