So your basic claim is that those responsibilities are incompatible with transparency? I can't even imagine what a supporting argument for such an obviously ridiculous claim might look like, so please -- surprise me with one. Gee willikers -- ICANN lucked into what is obviously a gosh damn important function. ICANN supposedly emerged out of a community of hard-headed, socially responsible engineers. There is no room for equivication here. There is no room for pity. Be a shining example, for gosh sakes -- how hard can it be? If you bend over backwards to achieve legitimacy, I'd bet and hope that most of us will bend over backwards to support you. -t X-Authentication-Warning: ietf.org: majordom set sender to owner-ietf@ietf.org using -f X-Sender: dhc2@jay.songbird.com Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:55:06 -0700 From: Dave Crocker <dhc2@DCROCKER.NET> Cc: "vinton g. cerf" <vinton.g.cerf@wcom.com>, ietf <ietf@ietf.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ietf@ietf.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: ietf@ietf.org X-UIDL: f42b15e9a64afd8ecabe4c2387bd3275 At 09:13 PM 8/1/2002 -0700, Randy Bush wrote: >transparency dispells >distrust as no amount of email and pontification can. icann should >try it. Randy, evidently you have not been paying much attention. No about of action from ICANN has been acceptable. No amount of inaction. Ever. Everything has been used solely as grist for the criticism mill. As you call for ICANN to be in the top 1%, make sure you are comparing it to the right sampling of organizations. Name some other organizations that not only have global infrastructure responsibilities, but organizations that have those responsibilities and are subject to such constant abuse and politicization. d/ ---------- Dave Crocker <mailto:dave@tribalwise.com> TribalWise, Inc. <http://www.tribalwise.com> tel +1.408.246.8253; fax +1.408.850.1850