At 04:38 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: >A case could be made that if ICANN was even *pretending* to serve the public >interest, they could at least enter into a *discussion* with the ORSC people. One of the tests of an idea that is required in the IETF pertains to scaling. So, please apply your thought to the general case. It means that ICANN would be legitimizing anyone and everyone who chooses to start an independent activity. This is a very bad idea for the stability of the DNS. It makes far more sense for ICANN to literally ignore independent activities. And that is exactly what ICANN has done. To ignore them means that ICANN does not pay any attention at all to those other activities. This includes ICANN treating the IANA/ICANN name space as self-contained, as in fact it is. Hence, the only "collisions" that ICANN should pay attention to are collisions within the IANA/ICANN DNS. Independent activities are, after all, independent. They choose to work without coordinating with ICANN and they are free to do that. (Contrary to Stef's interpretation, my comments are about registries and root administrators, not about users.) What makes no sense at all is for these folks to act independently and then make a post hoc claim that ICANN is somehow obligated to coordinate with them. Apply hour logic equally. Why were these folk not, themselves, obligated to first do pre hoc coordination with ICANN? >Of course, we all know they won't even do that with their OWN board of >directors without a court order. 1. On the contrary, the Board seems to work quite well amongst itself. If anything, Karl's rogue behavior underscores how well the rest of the Board members operate, including some recent unanimous votes. This suggests that other 'populist' Board members are able to play well with others. Karl is the only one who is not. Indeed he has shown a very consistent behavior of preferring to play to the cameras and reporters, rather than pursue his complaints by talking to the people he disagrees with. 2. Note that Karl won the suit, but lost the war. He is now subject to the conditions that ICANN had originally wanted to apply for his access. The only difference is that now Karl is under a court order to conform to those rules. d/ ---------- Dave Crocker <mailto:dave@tribalwise.com> TribalWise, Inc. <http://www.tribalwise.com> tel +1.408.246.8253; fax +1.408.850.1850