On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 4:06 PM PGNet Dev <pgnet.dev@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Many valid/interesting points being made. Most of them sound, reasonably, like developer-/maintainer-centric issues. > > Question: Is a primary goal of Fedora distro (JAVA sig, etc) to 'service' its (java app) users? There is no single primary goal of Java SIG. The group consists of individuals and sub-groups that have different focus or goals. I think of Java packages as grouped into logical layers. The lowest first foundation layer is OpenJDK. The second layer is Java RPM tooling (with dependencies, the build systems) which enables everything else, the third layer, to be built. In other words, OpenJDK with Maven/Ant/Javapackages/XMvn form a platform on which other packages can be built. I am mostly working within MBI sub-SIG that is working on development and maintenance of the second layer - Java build systems and RPM tooling for Java packaging. The group has 2 goals: 1) We deliver, maintain and support Ant and Maven in Fedora. Our aim is to provide developers with the most popular Java build systems which are reviewed, tested, and updated through the release lifecycle. 2) We design, develop and document tooling that enables anyone to package Java software with a simple, efficient and scalable process. We are also active members of Java SIG, collaborating on complex changes and guiding new contributors. The first goal is directed towards Fedora Linux users who want to build any Java software, the second one towards anyone who wants to package software they care about, but primarily towards Fedora contributors. Maintenance of random Java libraries or apps is a non-goal for us. >From my PoV, all Fedora Java buildsystem packages (around 120 of them) are in good shape, with only two known security bugs, no important or critical security bugs, no FTBFS or FTI bugs. I am actively triaging all bugs reported and responding to pull requests opened. Due to recent CentOS Stream 9 development work we are behind on a couple of updates, but we should process them in the next month or two. -- Mikolaj Izdebski > > If so, what's the current understanding of a user-driven ProductRequirements spec'n of JAVA apps 'round here? > Who's included in "users"? Developers? End-users? etc. > Perhaps I've missed it ... > > I know as a representative of my end-users I've got plenty of opinions about our JAVA env. Also as a representative of my org's JAVA devs. > But as a developer/maintainer OF java/apps @ Fedora, not much at all; the "solid OpenJDK & Maven" approach is good enuf here. Mostly. > > And, if that^ is not a primary goal, then back to the discussion at hand. > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
