On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 00:18:35 +0100, you wrote: >Also, I don't really understand where this need for a "fedora LTS" >comes from. I've always thought of RHEL / CentOS as filling that role. >I agree that there could probably be more collaboration between these >three projects (especially CentOS and fedora), but trying to introduce >"fedora LTS", basically as a competitor to CentOS - won't help. I think the problem is that for a consumer / desktop oriented product - which we seem to be talking about given that this appears to be driven in part by the desire of hardware vendors - the RHEL/CentOS release cycle leads to problems for several years worth of hardware releases. If you are a hardware vendor would you want to be releasing a laptop running CentOS 7.x today, with its outdated versions of much of the software (that is a value to the enterprise server market, but less so consumer)? >Additionally, fedora explicitly targets a rather specific audience >("developers and makers of all kinds"). Trying to "grow" fedora by >making it less appealing to its current core audience (which most of >the proposals I read in this thread would seem to do), seems >misguided. But is Fedora targetting that audience, and if so is it doing it sucessfully? An awful lot of OSS seems to be developed on Ubuntu, and thus is only supported on Ubuntu by the developers with Fedora as an afterthought if at all. I suspect the reality is that developers today aren't looking for a "bleeding edge" system like Fedora but rather a system that offers a compromise between the fast releases of Fedora and the glacial releases of Red Hat, something that has decent current hardware support and a reasonably up to date desktop environment - in other words what these hardware vendors want. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx