On 25 August 2017 at 10:06, Neal Gompa <ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Rex Dieter <rdieter@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Neal Gompa wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Matthew Miller >>> <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 08:25:22AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: >>>>> This is a stupid idea because it introduces "magic" into picking the >>>>> type of thing installed. It also goes against how we typically do >>>> >>>> Neal, this idea is the idea of other Fedora contributors who have put a >>>> lot of thought into it. Please refrain from childish language like >>>> "stupid". I'm not saying that this is "offensive" or anything, but I >>>> hope for a higher level of discourse in Fedora. There's no need for >>>> insults. You have a technical argument; please stick to that. >>>> >>> >>> I've already turned down my feelings about it several notches. But at >>> least you noticed what I said by the words I chose. That's was the >>> whole point. >>> >>> I'm going to be blunt about how I feel about it and present my >>> technical argument. Being purely technical tends to lead to being >>> ignored. You noticed because I didn't do that. >> >> I agree with Matthew on this one. You got noticed, yes, but for *very* much >> the wrong reasons... which may backfire in the long run: your non- >> inflamatory/technical feedback will indeed have higher risk of not being >> considered seriously. >> > > I'm extremely frustrated by how much half-baked-ness has been going on > in the last couple of months. Schedule shrinkage, features getting > cut, this modularity thing being implemented in a way that's looking I am going to say the following as a guide for other people in the future. If you had taken the time to explain this in the first place versus calling it stupid, I would have paid attention. This clearly explains why you are frustrated and what the problems you are seeing in details which can be dealt with. The "stupid" may seem to be a great distillation of all those problems but it also comes across too many times as "I am scoring points on the elementary playground" so yes it gets initial attention but people just want to punch you in the face versus listen to what is making you so angry/upset. To be clearer. Your original email just made me upset at *you* and pretty much shut me down from wanting to see it from your point of view. Reading this has made me realize that many of my current frustrations with how everything is and yours are the same and I can agree with many of the points. Even to the following though I don't know what DID is (Developers in Distress?) > If I wasn't a long-time Fedora user and contributor who actually knew > his stuff and knows how to navigate around all the messes, I'd > probably have left by now because it feels like everything is on fire, > and not in a good way. > > In your own little worlds, everything might seem like it's fine, but > out here in the outer rings, closer to nexus of the intersection of > the regular world with the Fedora worlds, it looks like Fedora is > getting a severe case of DID again. > > The messaging is wrong, the implementation doesn't make sense, and > there isn't actually a problem to solve that you aren't creating for > yourselves already. > > *Throws hands up in the air* > > -- > 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- Stephen J Smoogen. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
