Re: communications and community [was Re: Lack of response about sponsorship]

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On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 23:08 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 13:54:27 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> 
> > I'm sure the docs team talks about stuff in Rawhide occasionally too;
> 
> Unlike "devel", the docs list is related to Documentation only, isn't it?
> 
> Could you imagine turning "devel" into a less general list?
> Is "devel" the catch-all for anything related to arbitrary
> "development issues in the Fedora Project"?

I tend to think of it as 'the list for people packaging stuff for
Fedora', myself. I can't tell you how others think of it, but that seems
to map quite well for me.

> > Well, yes? The purpose of the test@ list clearly didn't include those
> > mails, so they were moved. They are clearly also not appropriate for
> > devel@, because they're about QA tooling development.
> 
> Are downtime announcements for AutoQA posted only to that list?

I'm not sure. As AutoQA is meant to be a tool for the benefit of
packagers, it would make sense to send them to devel@ too; if we're not
doing that we probably should.

> > > Moving all Rawhide topics, build failures, build report, package version
> > > upgrade annoucements, ABI breakage announcements, Branched report, Rawhide
> > > report, from devel to test list would be the way to go.
> > 
> > Well, no it wouldn't, because most of those mails are relevant to
> > *developers* (or rather, packagers), not testers. Which is why they're
> > sent to devel@. Build failures are fixed by packagers. ABI bumps are
> > fixed by packagers. The errors identified on the Branched and Rawhide
> > reports are fixed by packagers.
> 
> Why are "rawhide report" and "F-20 Branched reported" also sent to
> test list? Why the duplication?

I could live without 'em being duplicated, really. I think the idea is
that testers may want to know what packages have been changed in the
previous day.

> Why are the F-19 and F-18 updates-testing reports not sent to users list
> to raise awareness of what updates may be releases as stable updates in
> after a few days already?

I don't know; possibly just volume (they're long emails and there's
three of 'em a day, I used to find time to try and read them all, these
days I just tend to mark 'em as read and move on). But it seems like a
reasonable idea. Perhaps someone's worried such long automated mails
might scare the users@ audience? I don't read users@, so I don't really
know.
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