Reindl Harald wrote: > as KDE4.0 was anounced for F9 nobody did know if they are > ready and which state kde4 would have in the first release We need to do some advance planning and development to provide a polished release to our users, so we have to start importing prereleases of new upstream software very early in the cycle, especially for a big change like KDE 3â4. We have neither the infrastructure nor the human resources to do this work on a separate development branch, so we have to do it in Rawhide, at which point everything in Rawhide gets ported to the new technologies and it's very hard to go back. It is upstream's failure to not have communicated upfront that 4.0 would not be a release they'd want shipped to end users. There were some developers claiming it'd be a great new release with lots of new features they were working on, and a few others merely cautioning that it'd be for "early adopters" (whom Fedora users are expected to be). That "only for application developers" claim came only later, when Rawhide was already upgraded to 4.0. If the upstream developers had been less optimistic about their new release right from the start, we might have taken a different decision. That said, I actually think Fedora 9 turned out as a great release, KDE 4.0.3 wasn't quite as broken as some people (including some upstream developers) were claiming, and KDE got better and better in updates. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel