Reindl Harald wrote: > and even on a new setup this should be a decision of the user > at the very beginning what init-system he wants to us No, the choice of this kind of core under-the-hood system components should be a decision of the distribution. To the user, it should be only an implementation detail. To the software on the distribution, it should matter that they can rely on the core system components being what they are and not have a user replace something as central as the init system. I think it makes no sense whatsoever to even OFFER upstart in F15+ as we are doing. I don't see any valid reason why you'd use it over systemd. You complain about some bugs in systemd, those should be reported as bugs and fixed. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel