On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:09:06 -0400 Jon Masters <jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Every update takes for ever because there > > are so many updates. Too many to review each one and see what it > > does, and how to maybe test it and provide feedback. Updates runs > > just get pushed off longer and longer so that I have a block of > > time to A) apply the damn things, and B) spend a few hours > > recovering from any sort of fallout in my workflow. If I don't > > enjoy using the product I'm creating, that doesn't bode well. > > Again, I think everything you've said is well said, totally > appropriate, and I'm grateful that you spoke up and said it. Because > you are certainly far from being alone. I have to say the same, even as a developer, I can't have to stop every day to reboot or fix my machine while I am working on my own project. That's why I sometimes culpably delay to update my machine, until some scary security vulnerability appears (and then I have to do the *HUGE* update that follows). I am just glad I have a very fast connection at home right now, but if I had even a normal DSL like I used in my previous life (1/2 Mbit/s dload) I would have to seriously consider using a different distro for machines that are not throw-away. I *love* the cutting edge of Fedora when a *new* release comes out. But the amount of churn in *stable* releases, (ie gratuitous updates that do not really fix bugs just add new stuff (and often new bugs)) is a bit unsettling for people that actually use their computer to do "work", as opposed to just try out new stuff every 2 days. Why people that love raw bleeding cutting edge can't simply use rawhide ? (Or pick the packages they like to test from there ?) Simo. -- Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel