On Fri, 27 Aug 2010, Jon Masters wrote: > On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 15:23 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: > > > >Again, I feel it is necessary to have a survey of Fedora users. > > >Preferably annually. And listen to the feedback. If they say "yep, we > > >just love the churn, the number of updates" and so forth, then fine. If > > >they say "actually we'd like less than 800 updates after installing", > > >then also fine. I'm sorry to beat a dead horse, I just feel it is very > > >important that we finally, clearly articulate who our users are and what > > >they want by treating more like customers and gathering their input. > > So I'm filing another FESCo ticket as I type this. They can decide to > reject my proposal again, in which case I will bring it up with the > Fedora Board by way of appeal. I will take "no" for an answer once it's > been escalated all the way, because then at least I will have tried. > > > The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something > > different than the fire hose we have now are silently leaving, > > and those that are left are going to say they like the deluge of > > updates. > > On some level, if they say that, I suppose I get to eat my hat and deal > with the deluge. At least we'll know. Maybe we'll be surprised :) > > > Or I could just quote Henry Ford, or any other people who talk > > about design by committee. > > But I feel it is "design by committee" now, just the Open Source > version. A small group of people (f-d-l and similar) arbitrarily decide > what the userbase "wants" without asking them, and based on what they > would like to see in the distribution themselves. I said something similar at the board meeting today. I think "designed" isn't the right word. I don't think we have any designs we're following at all. It's just engineered. Fedora literally just comes to being without any thought or design of a coherent whole. All focus is on the pieces. We're just seeing trees, not the forest. -Mike -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
