On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 22:16 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 09:33:02 -0800, Adam wrote: > > > > No, not in a clear way. Instead, you keep emphasising that no negative > > > feedback is not equal to a package not having been tested at all. That's > > > just plain useless. Not even all broken deps are reported in bodhi. > > > > Why do you keep talking about 'all', as if the condition for success is > > catching 'all' errors? > > That is your claim. > > In my comments it isn't universal quantification, but existential > quantification (∃). There is an update, which is still without feedback > after two weeks, and I cannot conclude anything about how much testing it > may have seen. That's very different from your "[...] most packages that > go to updates-testing for a few days *are* being tested, even if they get > no apparent Bodhi feedback. [...]" Ah. You're looking at it on a kind of micro level; 'how can I tell this package has been tested?' Maybe it makes it clearer if I explain more clearly that that's not exactly how I look at it, nor (I think) how the rest of QA sees it, or what the proposal to require -testing is intended to achieve. We're thinking more about 'the big picture', and we're specifically thinking about - as I said before - the real brown-paper-bag, oh-my-god-what-were-they-thinking kinds of regressions, the 'systems don't boot any more', 'Firefox doesn't run' kinds of forehead-slappers. What we believe is that requiring packages to go to updates-testing for some time improves our chances of avoiding that kind of issue. Obviously, the more testing gets done in updates-testing, the better. Hopefully Till's script will help a lot with that, it's already had a very positive response. But the initial trigger for the very first proposal from which all this discussion sprang was wondering what we could do to avoid the really-big-duh kind of problem. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
