On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 12:15:01PM +0100, Enrico Scholz wrote: > Axel Thimm <Axel.Thimm@xxxxxxxxxx> writes: > > >> >> > But for whatever its worth let's raise the fixed/non-fixed > >> >> > cross-over from uid/gid 100 to 200 for F8 or F9. > >> >> > >> >> I suggest 500-999; should not break LSB more than the 100-200 idea. But > >> >> reuid'ing normal users is much easier than doing this for services. > >> > > >> > We can only mess with below 500. > >> > >> to be more exact: below 100 > > > > You do seem to contracdict yourself, is it now 500-999 or below 100 ;) > > you and notting are wanting to break the LSB by using an area which must > not be used for fixed uids. I outlined an alternative which breaks LSB > too but is much less painless on most systems. OK, let's keep LSB compliance: Let's convert the 30 packages (Mike counted 25 I think) using fedora-usermgmt to plain useradd -r which is what they effectively do anyway since the very beginning. And which 126 other packages do with plain useradd -r. > > So it will have the same flaws like fedora-usermgmt > > About which flaws are you speaking? Please, repeating that you don't recognize any flaw is not making them go away. The reason why fedora-usermgmt doesn't boom on users' faces is that it defaults to useradd -r. Since this happens for all millions of users of Fedora, but for the dozen being aware of this mechanism *and* using it, it looks like the few packages using fedora-usermgmt don't really need any fixed/predicted etc ids, but can cope with plain old and simple useradd -r. And we metioned several cases where fedora-usermgmt will boom, if the package really relies on not getting a random uid, for example when the admin notices that such a mechanism exists after the first fedora-usermgmt packages have been installed. Or if the admin thinks he can move the floating window to a new position, and is not aware that the config is once-set-never-unset. And many other examples that just show that floatng uid windows is A Bad Idea. -- Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net
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