On 9 September 2016 at 14:14, Kevin Fenzi <kevin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > This thread makes me sad too. :( > > I think things are (as they usually are) more nuanced than they seem. > #fedora is neither a hive of scum and villainy where everyone is rude, > no one gets any help and people are kicked out on a whim, nor a paragon > of light where everyone is polite and rational. > > There's a lot of old historical baggage on all sides. > We have 10+ years of this discussion coming up over and over again.. with a lot of historical baggage and strong opinions have been formed. Our 'fixes' have never been good either because we tend to take the easiest, nicest solution over and over again. The people feeling slighted on boths sides do a lot of good work in various places and we try to find solutions which make all of them happy or at least equally unhappy. At this point we should all realize that no simple or quick fixes are going to work. If we want Fedora to actually be a Fun/Friendly place we really need to focus on that more than we focus on Features and First. Features fall out of the sky, First comes to the person who gets it integrated quickest.. any 4 person "we made an OS" team seem to be able to do that monthly. Being Fun and Friendly takes constant work.. especially when many of us are on the autistic spectrum or have other social disabilities which make human interaction insane. If not, we need to be honest and drop them.. because this every year grindstone has worn me to dust.. -- Stephen J Smoogen. _______________________________________________ council-discuss mailing list council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/council-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx The Fedora Project's mission is to lead the advancement of free and open source software and content as a collaborative community.
