Re: IRC SIG needs external oversight

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On 09/03/2016 03:00 PM, Be wrote:
The culture on the Fedora IRC channels is hostile and unwelcoming. I
recently asked for technical help in #fedora and most of the responses
were insults. I went to #fedora-ops to report the offending user and was
horrified to see that the user is one of the IRC operators. So, I found
the link to the IRC issue tracker
<https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/> in the #fedora channel topic
and reported my experience at
<https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/192>

This has been a problem for *YEARS*. I've been through the same exact situation multiple times, I dutifully followed their process of filing a grievance ticket etc. multiple times, and it ended up nowhere.

https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/56

https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/61

https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/62

Good luck to you for trying, but honestly, it's a lost cause. On any Fedora projects I work on particularly websites I am sure to avoid listing that channel or giving it any kind of official blessing, and I also orient the many new contributors I help onboard by warning them to stay away from it.

My life has been much happier and better for never going back there again, and it's shameful that it's continued to operate under the name of Fedora. I lobbied very hard to change the situation back then and got nowhere - there are politics here that prevent any sort of cleanup as far as I can tell. If I had the permissions with freenode, I'd just have the channel completely obliterated.

I do not say *any* of this lightly.

~m
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