Re: Should commit abb139e75c2 about "kernel loading firmware directly from fs" be backported to stable trees ?

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On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Greg KH <gregkh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I'm not going to argue that this shouldn't have been fixed in udev
> sooner, nor that it was not a bug in udev, but it was eventually fixed,
> as far as I can tell, with commit
> ea6039a30929ff845859ed601594546d71894d84 (udev: allow firmware requests
> to bypass the dependency tracking), which showed up in udev 195, which
> was released October 23, 2012, well after 3.4.0.

Oh, goodie. Apparently the patch did make it in eventually, then.

Because *my* beef with that whole thing wasn't that it took so long,
but about how Kay was in complete denial about udev being broken in
the first place. Even after people told him exactly what the bug was,
he was blaming others. Apparently he eventually did see the light. But
he spent a *long* time blaming others.

Lookie here, for example:

  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=827538

where he tries to blame drivers for his own breakage, and talks about
how the drivers are buggy. That was in early June.

And this was not because Kay didn't know he was responsible. No, look here:

  http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg185742.html

this was in JANUARY, when he saw the first bug reports come in, and HE
HIMSELF talked about how it was due to his udev changes.

So Kay *knowingly* broke things, and when people complained, he tried
to blame the kernel despite clearly knowing that it was his own fault.

This went on for *months*. It wasn't ignorance. It was pure and utter
incompetence, and unwillingness to admit that he had broken things.
And the breakage was mainly for the odd devices, so it took a long
time to percolate up to the point where I was aware of it. Because Kay
kept closing bugzillas and trying to point people at other things. And
it took much much too long for people to actually call him on his
bullshit.

So you think it's all made fine by the fact that apparently it then
got fixed in *October*, after people had complained for over half a
year, and *others* had sent him the trivial patches to fix it up, and
the kernel had already fixed it because relying on udev maintainers to
fix it looked rather unlikely?

> And yes, I might have some huge blind spots about udev, it being my
> "baby" and all,

It's not udev itself. We didn't have these kinds of problems when you
maintained it.

              Linus
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