Are there any professional Programmers on this list? In particular, I'm a C/C++ bigot looking for someone to help convince me to become a Java bigot instead. 8-) I get the feeling I'm missing out by not knowing and writing Java, but there are a few things I don't like about the language/environment and I'd like to trade a few emails with a knowledgeable individual. Off list would probably be best. Bill Gradwohl (817) 224-9400 x211 www.ycc.com SPAMstomper Protected Email