On 1 Nov 2002, Jean Francois Martinez wrote: >> Um.. no. xf86config is _not_ the replacement program. That >> would be an explicit step backwards to the stone age. A large >> enough backwards step that I'm surprised that I forgot to remove >> that ancient garbage from RHL 8.0.... ;o) >> >> I'll have to remember to kill that one off next time. Thanks for >> the reminder. ;o) >> >> The new config tool is: redhat-config-xfree86 >> >> > >Speaking of things to kill consider killing TWM: it has no redeeming >qualities (there are more featureful WMs with lower memory footprints) I agree with you completely. >and I don't think many people use it. There you would be dead wrong. There are enough people inside Red Hat alone that use twm, that I'd have tonnes of complaining if I were to remove it entirely. >At the very least don't make it selectable through menus since >it is deathtrap for a beginner (he will have no means of leaving >the damned thing). I agree here also. I think I will have twm removed from the switchdesk tool, for 2 reasons: 1) Too many people are requesting their own special window managers to be added as options in switchdesk also, and using the argument "twm is there". Adding 50 WM's to the menu makes it an ugly mess IMHO and somewhat daunting for some types of users. Also, having things on a menu seems to imply to some users that such things are more "supported" since they're more visible. 2) switchdesk - the name says it all. It is switch*desk*, and not switch*windowmanager*. Die hards that want to use custom windowmanagers that come with the system, or add them to the system can configure the wm's manually. I'm seriously considering option #2 right now, but with the possibility of an alternative for choosing window managers. The alternative thing is rather low priority though, and getting even lower priority due to whiners complaining. >Those few TWM diehards still left are' supposed to be able to >hack their X files (I am not speaking about the movie!) in order >to get TWM: they don't need a menu. But other people would not >have to jump above the TWM unexploded mine. I agree completely. Nothing is decided 100% yet or locked into stone, but these things are indeed on my mind, and the next release will most likely have some changes in this area. I just can't add 500 window managers to the lists and call it user friendly. We'll have to wait and see what happens I guess. TTYL -- Mike A. Harris ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris OS Systems Engineer XFree86 maintainer Red Hat Inc. -- Psyche-list mailing list Psyche-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list
