On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 15:36, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > John Coldrick <jc@axyzfx.com> writes: > > please...you can't be serious! > > No, I'm not saying that. That's why I added the workaround. Thank you. > The simple fact is, the reason it works on Windows is that Windows > hardcodes the keybindings and all the apps have to live with it, and > most people are primarily targeting Windows with their apps. By > hardcoding things, Windows forces apps to coordinate with Windows. Actually, that's not what I was told(feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here). I was told that the app has the option, first, to "claim ownership" over any given key equivs, and allow them to pass to windows *if they choose*. I'm in no way eager to adopt anything windows(in fact I'm here because I don't want windows in our production environment), but this is a better mechanism IMHO than coming to some sort of arrangement with each and every platform you port to, necessitating changes to the user GUI. There may well be technical issues that forbid such a thing in an Xwindows environment - I don't know...but bottom line: working within an app should have interface priority over the task that allows you to change between apps. About the only thing the wm *must* have access to all the time is the ability to switch between tasks(so you can get out of an app). I'm not kidding myself - I don't think it's going to happen on Linux any day now, or ever, but it seems to me that there are too many users that are caught up in obsessing over desktop issues to the point where it obscures the applications. I don't use linux so I can have a pretty border around my shell window. I make more money using an application than in switching between them. > Several people have gone off on a huge anti-window-manager rant here, > or claimed that no coordination can be requested, or the window > manager should just magically work. Well, obviously wm's are necessary! I use mine each day! I think we differ on how obtrusive they should be. You're not alone - you appear to have most of the local Linux community behind you. I think it's a mistake, IMHO, if Linux is going to be more widely accepted. Fact is, the Linux desktop isn't #1(yet), so it can't afford to be cocky about imposing it's own vision. All it will receive is resistence from companies porting their apps. > > But the problem of keybinding conflicts (in general, I'm not getting > stuck on Alt+mouse in particular) is plainly unfixable without > coordination. Agreed. Standards are hard to implement. Anyway, at the risk of being "the last guy to make a comment", I won't bother lengthening this thread anymore - it really is offtopic anyway. I really only posted the last time because I misunderstood you bigtime. Feel free to take the last shot...:) Cheers, J.C. -- John Coldrick www.axyzfx.com Axyz Animation Houdini/Renderman/Discreet 425 Adelaide St W 416-504-0425 Toronto, ON Canada jc@axyzfx.com M5V 1S4 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Men of lofty genius when they are doing the least work are most active. -- Leonardo da Vinci
