On 3/13/08, Andrés Robinet <agrobinet@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Sorry dude, RoR is still an academic toy. Wrong. I've worked with a team of 12 or so Ruby/Rails developers rewriting a Java/Oracle electronic medical record to use Rails/PostgreSQL instead. Hundreds of tables in a real-life app for real-world electronic medical records. I have 6 significant Rails projects of my own I still work on and maintain. None of those are in acedemia. But in academia, just in the last 6 months I've rolled out a heart drug study for young heart surgery patients. The app services 21 university medical centers worldwide. It uses Oracle and has around 60+ tables. I alone coded the app in about 6 weeks. Currently I'm working on another drug study with two other developers, again in Rails using Oracle. What you call a toy I call the most useful tool I've ever had the pleasure of using. > And not the most successful one, since > I've heard people talking like you back in 2005. Ruby on Rails is not new and > has not proved anything yet. Obviously not everyone is smart enough to know an excellent tool when they see one. > It's an arrogant language, No, it's an OO language, and a much better OO implementation than anything else available, except perhaps C++. > so much arrogant that its community pretend it can > fix the world. That's not _my_ claim. But I surely wouldn't have PHP, or any of the Rails clone frameworks written in it, appearing at the top of my available technologies list. > Back in 2005 I was very enthusiastic and thought it could have a > future, but after confirming what other poster said "the RoR community is > insane", I didn't give a f... anymore. They're not insane, just excited to have better tools. > I believe it will become some piece of *enterprise-class* piece of dust in the > best of scenarios. I, of course, do not. > In the meantime, the web moves towards PHP more and more. Stats to back up your claim? The last time I looked at the Apache module stats, mod_php was on the decline. > Look at it this way, in 2001 M$ released the .Net Framework. It's been 7 YEARS > since PHP is STILL the leader and will be so for many more years. And .Net has > the "glorious" Visual Studio IDE, compiled code, built-in caching, and > idiot-proof tools, and has the BIGGEST software company behind. Do you think > that the work of "a man" can do much more than that? Specially, a man that has > the arrogance of a big Co.? Pointing to a company and their many failures in no way makes PHP a better tool than Ruby and Rails. > "In March 2007 David Heinemeier Hansson filed three Rails related trademark > applications to the USPTO. These applications regard the phrase "RUBY ON RAILS", > the word "RAILS" and the official Rails logo. As a consequence, in the summer of > 2007 Hansson denied to Apress the permission to use the Rails logo on the cover > of a new Rails book written by some authoritative community members. The episode > gave rise to a polite protest in the Rails community. In response to this > criticism, Hansson made the following claims: > <quote> > I only grant promotional use [of the Rails logo] for products I'm directly > involved with. Such as books that I've been part of the development process for > or conferences where I have a say in the execution. I would most definitely seek > to enforce all the trademarks of Rails > </quote> How is that any fucking different than Rasmus himself contacting me in 1999 telling me I had to rename my PHPLinks project because I wasn't associated with the PHP project itself? Pot-kettle-black. > Sorry, even if it was the ONE AND ONLY programming language... I will dismiss it > until it becomes a "business need", as I don't even trust its creator. PHP is > easy to deal with, it's free... and IT GETS THE JOB DONE. You mentioned > something about projects done on RoR you can share... why don't you show us your > PHP work instead? This URL lists my many open source PHP projects: http://destiney.com/php Where are yours? Here are many (PHP) sites I've worked on in the past few years: Centerstone Behavioral Health - http://centerstone.org/ Med Center Today - http://medcentertoday.com/ Caste Contractors - http://castlecontractors.com/ Filmhouse.com - http://filmhouse.com/ EZsweeps - http://ezsweeps.com/ LuckyShop - http://ezsweeps.com/shoppingnew.php > Maybe you like RoR more because you suck at PHP. Maybe you're a fucking retard. -- Greg Donald http://destiney.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
