WOW... making judgments about ME and you don't even know me. I cook every night, take kids to their events, help my wife with her business, work my own, and go to school full time and am the best person I can be to family and friends. I also don't consider my wife a "thing" and have never treated her as such (you're welcome to ask her, too...) The treatment you receive might just be because of your preconceived notions. Mark Lent 4 Generations, now, since women started trying to get men to stop treating us as things. And still the men don't get it. Even more tragically, many of the women don't get it. As Eric Berne makes clear in What Do You Say After You Say Hello, demeaning strokes are better than no strokes. -- Emily L. Ferguson mailto:elf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 508-563-6822 New England landscapes, wooden boats and races http://www.landsedgephoto.com http://e-and-s.instaproofs.com/