----- Original Message ----- From: "James B. Davis" : I still say the size should be increased, 75K just isn't enough. If you have a : JPG 800 x 535 with lots of detail you can't fit it in unless you go down to a : compression of 3 which is too much. : : And that's without any colour space info I might add. just tried a complicated TIF which I cropped to the above size & saved it with irfanview as a jpeg . 249k -100% quality 51k -80% quality no discernable difference, banding, artifacts or visible jpeg nonsense. I'm guessing you are working with photoshop - maybe try running the images you are getting such sizes for through an image stripping program like jpeg stripper to see if there is redundant information being stored - if so stripping it might bring the image size down to something you'll find more reasonable without compromising the image detail. karl