On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:09:45 -0700, Jeff Spirer <jeff@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote/replied to: >However, I've found with the 10D that I can get almost identical results in >"normal" lighting conditions, including manipulation. Most of the benefits >of 16 bits get lost in typical output. The benefits of shooting RAW are many, too many to name here. The best for me though, is it frees me up while shooting. I don't have to tweak the camera to get a decent image. The fact is, I only have to tweak exposure and focus in camera. I sure hope sports and fashion photographers don't make up a majority of shooters these days... Try adjusting the 'levels' of a JPG after you get it back home in PS. Check histogram... You reminded me though, when is the public going to get a 16 bit Fuji Frontier? A machine that is color space aware? A machine that can do wider paper? A machine with finer resolution? The Frontier does nice dithering and upscaling. Minilab equipment has been sitting on their investments for a while now with no big changes. I know what is possible with some high end lab machines, but I mean the machines which are in all the mini labs. Geez, wish I had a Pro lab nearby. I really want to see something with 16 bit fine res printing on R4 paper. Glossy. Adobe Colour Space. So does anyone know what's brewing in the minilab equipment field these days? -- Jim Davis, Nature Photography http://jimdavis.oberro.com/ Standard Poodles for fun BMW motorcycle for pleasure