On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Kalle Valo <kalle.valo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > "ext Mark" <wolfmane@xxxxxxxxx> writes: > >> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Igor Stoppa <igor.stoppa@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html >>> >> >> This is not helpful and in fact is inflammatory. > > I have no clue what inflammatory means Clearly. > (and I'm too lazy to find out), ...but below you call other people lazy. How hypocritical of you... > but the link Igor provided was helpful. I recommend you to calm down > and just read it. Or better yet, read it twice. > I've seen (and read) this many times, and the link is always sent by some arrogant jerk who has no respect for others and their differences. The article is written with the same attitude that everyone should have the same (high) level of knowledge and ability. It's unrealistic. Yes, there's some good information in there, but the bottom line is the attitude that there's no place for the novice, and the burden of finding and solving bugs is on the poor hapless soul who innocently installs some app that then causes them major headaches. Get real! When I first took Computer Science classes in the early 1980s (prior to Micro$oft's deplorable influence on the industry), one of the basic and emphatically enforced rules was that one was responsible for one's own code, and that one was obligated to write code that gracefully handled errors and exceptions as well as run comprehensive testing and fully document the code. Unfortunately, by the late 1990s, that had changed, and now developers seem to think that they have no responsibility whatsoever to write decent code or provide decent documentation. > I'll definitely start using this link in bad bug reports. Igor, this > is just what I have needed, grazie! > >> When one has a problem with a device it is helpful to find out if >> others are having the same problem, and may have already solved it. >> If so, great. If no one else is having the same problem, then it's >> probably an installed app rather than the OS. Then one can start >> narrowing down suspects as to the cause. People have to start >> somewhere, and why should they duplicate efforts that others have >> already made, or go to great lengths to fix something that is >> impossible because it's a bug in the OS? > > So basically you want others do all the work for you? It doesn't work > that way. Try to show that you have tried to do something to solve the > problem, for example by writing as much as info as possible. That way > people might be a bit more motivated to answer. > No, but obviously *you* do. You also don't see a problem with hundreds of people doing exactly the same work in parallel, wasting huge amounts of effort and time when it's much more efficient and helpful for people to be in communication and not duplicate each others' efforts. >> RTFM is *never* an acceptable response. > > That's the best way to learn and educate yourself, and in the end you > get better results. No, it most certainly is NOT "the best" way to learn and educate yourself. Even if you ignore the fact that "The Manual" is frequently poorly written and hard to understand, not everyone learns in the same way, and for some it is *particularly* difficult to learn and understand just by reading printed words. There are kinesthetic learners, visual learners, and auditory learners. But nearly everyone can follow specific, concise, step-by-step instructions - the kind that "The Manual" almost NEVER supplies... > But if you insist doing everything your way, don't > be surprised if people are not willing to help you. > There's the pot calling the kettle black. I'm the one who's saying that flexibility and communication is key. You're the one insisting that your way is the only acceptable way. Mark _______________________________________________ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@xxxxxxxxx https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
